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The Minimalists
The Minimalists are Emmy-nominated Netflix stars and New York Times–bestselling authors Joshua Fields Millburn and Ryan Nicodemus. Alongside their podcast cohost, T.K. Coleman, this simple-living trio helps millions of people eliminate clutter and live meaningfully with less. Learn More.

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In this public episode of The Minimalists Podcast, The Minimalists sit down with the founder of Patreon, Jack Conte, to discuss the death of the follower, earning a living from creative work, why the joy of creating is often ruined by the demands of revenue, and more. Listen to the full Maximal episode on The Minimalists Private Podcast.


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Discussed in This Episode

  • What’s the minimalist-approved way to ethically promote my creative work?
  • If you could earn a living doing anything in the world, what would it be?
  • What two new segments are coming to The Minimalists Private Podcast?
  • Listener insight: a poem about decluttering.
  • What is the future of Patreon?
  • How is social media negatively affecting artists and their audiences?
  • How do I make the shift from an “ordinary job” to a more fulfilling “creative job”?
  • What new improvements have Patreon been working on?
  • What is Jack Conte’s favorite Pomplamoose song?

Minimal Maxims

Joshua, Ryan, and T.K.’s pithy, shareable, less-than-140-character responses. Find more quotes from The Minimalists at

  • Good businesses make money; great businesses make a difference.
  • Income is not the only important outcome.
  • I dream of a world where there is no distinction between pay and play.
  • The joy of creating is often extinguished by the demands of income.
  • Don’t follow your passion—cultivate it.

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